Roe Gone, Now What? / Classical Liberalism & Racial Justice

In part one of this two part podcast, Curtis and David respond to the breaking ...

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In part one of this two part podcast, Curtis and David respond to the breaking news that the Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade. Rather than dive into the legal or political dimensions of the ruling, they take a look at the social and spiritual dimensions, asking questions like:

  • What does this actually mean for abortion in America?

  • What are the opportunities and fears now in play?

  • How should a pro-life Christian respond to pro-choice friends and family members?

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    W James Anderson

    Hot button or not, I appreciated this episode. I’ve mentioned in previous comments I’m new to this platform and the smartphone world... 3+ years. So, I’m pretty wet behind the ears on most fronts. I am the type that love conversations that dig in. Like this one. For awhile, about s decade, certain things haven’t smelt right Politically or Religiously. My son Jared introduced me to The Dispatch. I’m so thankful he did. Him and I have had our best conversations revolving around his Religious studies and Politics as well. He married a gal from Tennessee, whom he met in college in my hometown,Sioux Falls, SD.

    AGAIN, I really appreciate this particular podcast along with others on The Dispatch . Send my thanks to all who make it all happen. Toms of work I bet. Peace💀’s and🌈’s

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    Tracy

    Loved the segment with Rachel Ferguson and have already begun reading her book. I could never understand why the only people who write books, are those are want to convince us of one right way to do things. Always wondered, "where are the books that present both sides, pros and cons, of the issue?" She seems able to cut through the "sides" and acknowledge the horrendous parts of history while at the same time, presenting reasonable, potentially helpful ideas. Just imagine!!!

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  3. John Larson

    I just wanted to say thanks for this podcast. I have been listening since the beginning and enjoy the content very much. There have been several pods that I have shared with my friends on FB and have been encouraged, informed, and challenged on more than one occasion. I appreciate the theological perspective even when I may not agree but that very often.
    I listened to this pod 2x's as I really wanted to hear the info again. I am a Christian of 44 years and have leaned heavily conservative for all my adulthood. I have become very dissatisfied with the current state of the Republican party (Trumpism in particular) and I seek out podcasts, articles, and books that are more centrist in focus to help inform my views a bit better. But David's comment about the 30/70 focus was very helpful because that is what I have been attempting to do for the last 15 years or so.
    If you have any other podcasts that I might consider, please let me know. Keep up the good work and I look forward to your next pod.

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    Mark davis

    I really enjoyed listening to both parts of this podcast. Especially the discussion on the book. Thanks to all of you.

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  5. Adam

    When The Dispatch moves away from Substack, can they see about implementing a mute button for certain commenters similar to what Twitter has? I would love to see intelligent commentary on the actual content of this episode, and muting a few people here would make that much easier to find.

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  6. Alan

    So I don’t get this. If David agrees that overturning roe won’t change total numbers of abortions, and will cause harm. Why has the right been pushing to overturn roe all this time instead of just getting women to choose to carry a child? Is there some other reason beyond moral grandstanding?

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    Ben Connelly

    This was a great discussion of race. I enjoyed hearing from Rachel. Also the Rod discussion was fine. Ignore the haters. I think many of them didn’t actually listen to the whole thing.

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    Frank Lee

    So we should always accept 50 years of court precedent? Does that apply to Brown v Board of Education?

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    Frank Lee

    Democrats control all three branches. Why did not they not pass any abortion bill? They could even get two or three Republican Senators onboard.

    I know why. Do you?

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      TJ

      Frank, you make an underrated point.

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  10. Laurie

    I confess I had a hard time listening to you two men discuss the overturning of Roe. I respect you both, and I too am a believer, so I agree on most issues of faith. But there is something that you don't seem to ever acknowledge when you glibly talk about the impact of whatever abortion laws are passed or judicial decisions are imposed: you two will NEVER directly feel the impact of these decisions concerning abortion: Because you are prolife. Because you are men. I won't either because I am 57 years old. But I remember learning the facts of life as a girl. A few years later I learned about abortion and I remember how relieved I was that if this good Christian girl was assaulted and pregnant I would have a remedy. My feeling was visceral and real. Nobody talked about abortion as a sin back then. I also remember what it was like as a young married woman, the difficult pregnancies, fears of miscarriage and "scares". The good, the not so good, all of it, all so consequential. So important to EVERY woman. Only optionally important to a man. You spoke of what an upheaval the original 1973 decision was. To whom? Prolifers were free to never get an abortion before. They were free to never get an abortion after. What committed prolifers never seem to explain is why they care so much if another person they don't know makes that wrenching decision (Other than die hard Christian nationalists who say God can't bless America while we have legalized abortion). I really don't believe most do care. I witnessed people cheering on the second amendment at CPAC a week after Parkland. If people don't care when children are aborted in classrooms, I don't believe they care about the unborn. This is about winning. That you have to advise prolifers not to gloat is a tell. I hope your admonishments to Christians to increase support for women with unplanned pregnancies is heard and followed. I don't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong.

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    1. Joy Lamentation

      “That you have to advise prolifers not to gloat is a tell.”
      That is a heart-breaking tell. So hard to believe that Christians have such cold, immature attitudes especially about such a complex subject. The amount of self-righteousness that I’ve witnessed has left me astonished. Many think in black and white on this subject and many others will suffer as a result of that high-minded perspective. For too many it’s a game that their team has won.

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