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Sarah, Steve, Jonah, and David discuss the president’s walk across Lafayette Square, protests around country ...

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Sarah, Steve, Jonah, and David discuss the president’s walk across Lafayette Square, protests around country sparked by George Floyd’s death, Steve King’s primary loss and what it says about the future of the GOP, protesting in the age of social distancing, and journalism ethics.

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    Andrew

    Sarah! Best of luck in your pending endeavor. I’m sure you’re more than ready despite what you may or may not think about it.

    This was one of my favorite episodes regarding both content and the interactions between you all. No worries about the tangents etc, good conversations progress that way.

    Sarah, respectfully request your corn tortilla recipe ;)

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  2. KR

    I was very surprised to hear your strong negative response to the letter signed by members of the health community. I get the impression you understand it to be a “culture war” item rather than a real public health concern. The literature on race and health is very robust, and sometimes researchers find that when you control for a host of economic factors, racial differences remain in health outcomes.

    For example, high premature births among black woman is of real concern. A black college-educated woman has higher odds of delivering a premature birth than a white high-school educated woman. Here’s a lay article that links to the original research: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/12/20/570777510/how-racism-may-cause-black-mothers-to-suffer-the-death-of-their-infants

    It is very unlikely we will develop a chemical cure for the effects of racism in any near term, and we do not know the biochemical mechanism in detail. Frightening to me, there are some hints that the stress of racism may be hereditary through epigenetics. I think you should allow for a different lens on the letter; through the lens of public health, these protests can advance health outcomes that research cannot do alone even with covid19 concerns. I do not read it as an intentionally tribal or cultural letter.

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    JDW

    Jonah! I think the chicken thigh is the most underrated piece. It is meaty like a breast but has the moist flavorful quality of the leg or wing.

    I would choose pizza by the way as my 6 week food.

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    John Russell

    The first time David spoke he asked the group whether Nixon spoke of The Great Silent Majority in 1968. Jonah corrected him saying, "That was 1972" and David seemed to buy that. My recollection is that Nixon introduced the term in a speech to the nation in 1969---his first year in office---after the antiwar movement had pivoted from Johnson to Nixon as the leader (and thus the nominal villain) of the American of the war effort.

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      JDW

      But the point was where was it used on the campaign trail. That would be 1972.

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    BWG

    Too much time spent on tear gas and dinner choices.

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    Rajeev

    Their analysis of the tear gas terminology was outstanding; however, the one thing I wish they would've addressed is how by reporters correcting this they would be doing exactly what the right wing media wants them to do. Very similar to responding to internet trolls at this point. I remember organizations arguing about the difference between a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth back during the early years of the Obama administration. But that alone was a win for the birther movement because the discussion in itself brought the attempt to delegitimize Obama to the forefront of the debate instead of leaving it be without response. Reporters said they were tear gassed and I assumed they meant it colloquially because the effect is the same. Once Trump media was done parsing that issue they would've found another issue till it ends up being an argument about what the word is means.

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  7. Jordan Henderson

    I feel Sarah didn't do an adequate job of explaining the background of the Fajita. It was certainly once redundant to say Beef or Steak Fajita and Chicken or Vegetable Fajita would have been a solicism. Now, Fajita is a way of preparing and presenting what is essentially a big taco. The word Fajita comes from the Spanish word faja, which means belt, so little belt, referring to a little cut of skirt steak.

    I've heard that the Fajita originated in this restaurant or that, but I believe it came from home kitchens in Texas/Mexico where they would take a tough piece of skirt steak , tenderizing the hell out of it by beating it and marinating it (a lime juice marinade often is still used in today's fajitas) to break it down further. It was good for poor people who could only afford these pieces of meat and there's not a lot of skirt available, so today's fajitas are invariably better cuts.

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      Ethan Cordray

      Yup! I came here just to say this. The word "fajita" refers to the shape that the ingredients are cut into, not the substance of the ingredient, so saying "beef fajita" is not as weird as saying, for example, "grilled steak carne asada".

      Also, beef fajitas is far and away the best answer to the quarantine-food question of the show. My answer would be carnitas tacos. On flour tortillas.

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    Craig Chaney

    Chicken Tetrazini is delicious. It is, however, not life changing. In any form.

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    Alex Fordney

    Hot Tip for David who lives closest to my home of Chattanooga, TN. The Chicken Tetrazini at Tony’s Pasta Shop & Tratorria is out of this world. You should check it out the next time you find yourself in Chattanooga.

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    Kevin Johnson

    This was fantastic. Thanks. On the semantics of press describing anti-riot tools, one example which slipped in revealed why some are sooooo hot about semantics. David mentioned “assault” weapons as an example of how different folks describe things with different words without changing the facts; shot by an-47 vs. by m-4. This unintentionally hides a big issue: the left (mostly) has intentionally mislabeled semi-automatic rifles as “assault” weapons and “weapons of war”, implying that they are strange, fully-automatic weapons identical to those issues to soldiers with no possible civilian use. This is lying to convince people to accept banning them as fully automatic and labeling owners of semi-automatic rifles as beyond the pale. Over time, such false narratives even make it into the language of 2nd amendment defenders such as David. While I agree with group’s evaluation of Trump’s actions for his photo -op, and that this is the main story, some people are responding to the context. Agencies report that the mostly peaceful protest had folks throwing dangerous things at police as well. The press often calls protests peaceful, sometimes even when standing in front of burning buildings. Your testimony from journalists was useful about burning eyes. Might have added testimony from police who say they were hit with projectiles by a minority of vandals within the peaceful protest. This goes to the larger issue of some press portraying virtually all police enforcement of curfews as destined to spur violence and implying it is somehow illegitimate (see this morning’s TMD.) Trump is awful and did an awful thing. But that isn’t all that is happening. If we let that be the narrative we will only help him and his most extreme enemies create more division and make folks choose between rioters and police. As MBD wrote at NRO: if that is the choice people must make, don’t bet on the rioters. That is what Trump wants the choice to be and we can’t help him!

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      CynthiaW

      Superior reply!

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