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The president addressed the nation on the coronavirus outbreak, Harvey Weinstein gets 23 years in ...

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The president addressed the nation on the coronavirus outbreak, Harvey Weinstein gets 23 years in prison, and Hulu’s new docuseries ‘Hillary’ is now streaming. David and Sarah have thoughts.

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  1. Kevin H

    Really interesting discussion about feminism. One thing I tend to not hear discussed when it comes to feminism or race is the amount of support that say a Hillary or an Obama got because of their respective sex or race. Clearly we have sexists and racists but conversely I believe we had people who voted for them because of that. I would be curious to know the net effects. This isn’t to make excuses for anyone not using facts on policy and character as their determinant.

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  2. KitP

    Hey David and Sarah, if you haven't already decided for next week, I personally would love a discussion on the legal precedents of quarantines, curfews, city shutdowns, etc. Hope you both are staying safe and healthy!

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    Phil H

    Dave and Sarah, interesting observations about Hillary. But saying her viewpoint is "tactical" as opposed to "big picture character issues" glosses over the her real issue: she is amoral. Instead of thinking if her private email server was right or wrong, good or bad for national security, it was all about what was good for her, what worked.

    That was definitely not what we wanted in a President, even if the alternative was Donald Trump. (I voted for neither of them, opting for the Constitution Party candidate).

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    Kevin Johnson

    Another good one. Some nits: David, it is great that you use credibility, knowledge, and insight to police “our” conservative side rather than just attack libs. This can lead to great points where conservatives go overboard and when Trumpistas run rampant. However, it seems to me you go overboard in seeking to be balanced and make some unbalanced comparisons. Here, you compared the excesses of Clinton (Bill) derangement syndrome (quite real, such as Foster “murder”) to the Steele dossier. In fact, you said it was their Steele dossier. This is apples and orangutans. The fever swamps of both sides create much muck. But the Steele Dossier was used by the FBI and intel agencies to, infer Alia, mislead a judge to get a fisa warrant on a Trump staffer. How does this compare to extreme theories about Clinton by commentators? The GOP impeached Clinton for real things, not these fever swamps rumors. Sarah again states, with no evidence, that Warren’s gender was a net negative, retreating somewhat from earlier sexism allegations. But where is the argument that Warren wasn’t at least as helped by her gender, through fact-challenged cheering by the media, for example, as hurt by the sexism Sarah sees but can’t pinpoint? With all due respect, is it enough to say: she is a woman, there has never been a woman president, she (in Sarah’s view) has the “wrong” hair (etc.) which makes men uncomfortable, so that means sexism played a roll in her defeat? Perhaps Sarah’s theory of men opposing women of a certain type but accepting others has merit. It is worthy of investigation. But simply repeating that, since sexism exists, and a woman lost, it must be partly sexism is not logical or convincing. David adds a good point that one shouldn’t deny ANY sexism just because the MAIN cause isn’t sexism. But can these fine legal minds really mean what Sarah seems to say about specific conservatives and a specific candidate ? Are we all “sexists” or is it the system, until we get a female potus? Will this charge make things better? I voted for Hillary, BTW.

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    RR

    Good point, the normalization of politics as sports is especially problematic during national emergencies. Small correction though in the analogy, there are actually many female NFL commentators analyzing the game on tv who've never played football.

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    td12212

    This is what Rush Limbaugh was saying about covid-19 yesterday (3/11/2020) which points to him being either stupid or intentionally misleading folks. There is no republican math or democratic math...

    " I know this kind of trickery and monkeying around with stuff is going on in these things because I know the media, I know the left, I know the Democrat Party, and I know how they’re trying to scare everybody and now they’re using Fauci here. “This is Trump’s guy! Trump’s guy is saying it’s 10 times more lethal than the flu,” which means nothing.

    Ten times more lethal? Lethal than what? What does lethal mean? Does lethal kill you? Does lethal infect you? Does lethal give you a temperature of 102 versus 100? What does it do to you? It’s a meaningless comparative. "

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    1. Melissa

      Yeah. In my understanding, the actual definition of lethal means it can kill you. Looks like our nation in fact has two very stable geniuses on our hands.

      One of the things I find it kind of odd about this is -- Didn't Rush just get diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer? I would have thought he would fall into the "be extra careful" camp. Anyway, I hope he doesn't get sick. Also that he doesn't continue poisoning the nation with his imaginative ideas.

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    Sad Trombone

    When you were discussing Hillary's legacy I'm surprised you didn't point out that the first feminist woman candidate for President was also the Lady MacBeth/Claire Underwood of sexual assault along with her husband.

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