Out of Islamism, Into Nationalism

From Riyadh to Dubai.

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Jamie is joined by Ben Judah, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Europe Center and the author of This is Europe: The Way We Live Now. The two discuss the future of Saudi Arabia and its royal family, the crown prince’s attempts to modernize the House of Saud, and the future for Jews in Europe.

Show notes:

-This is Europe: The Way We Live Now

-Ben Judah’s profile at the Atlantic Council

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  1. Jon Kirsch

    Argh. You should have let Ben keep talking. Five or six minutes was hardly enough time to scratch the surface on that second topic. More of a teaser really that left me intellectually frustrated. I hope you’ll have him back again.

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  2. Philebus

    Interesting conversation. As I consider MBS, it seems that largely he is operating out of fear. I can't pin it down, but nevertheless that thought is there. I doubt the demand for oil is going to dry up anytime soon, but the bigger question revolves around: can you find modernity and a place in the grand scheme of things in a country with third world notions. It's a tough task, to which I doubt that a Prince to become King can manage. I'd wish him the best, but I doubt the sincerity.

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