Kitchen Sync Realism

Newly minted AEI fellow Klon Kitchen joins Jonah today for an uber-wonky discussion of foreign ...

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Newly minted AEI fellow Klon Kitchen joins Jonah today for an uber-wonky discussion of foreign policy and cybersecurity. The pair explore how the U.S. should respond to recent cyber attacks, the merits of Section 230, and the distinction between dumb and smart hawkishness in national security. Should we revive letters of marque? Can Jonah ever discuss China without cursing Tom Friedman? And will Klon’s love of all things canine lead him to join the fabled pantheon of Remnant regulars?

Show Notes:

–The Kitchen Sync

–The colonial pipeline hack

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  1. JKM

    Excellent podcast.

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  2. Alex

    Hi - great podcast! Loved the discussion of Section 230, but you never quite got into what you both thought should be done to refine it. I thought the explanation for why it exists was very valuable and should be more common knowledge. You both also agree that 230 has issues, but never really talked about what to do about it. So what to do?

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  3. Antonio Perez

    There’s been a lot written about letters of marque and reprisal in cyber. But why, since the whole point is leveraging our private sector in a disciplined but plausibly enviable way, isn’t the conversation shifting in the direction of relying on covert action legal authority, which contemplates the use of independent contractors subject to governmental supervision, enabling democratic accountability with congressional involvement and regulation for the purpose of compliance with the jus in bello under the law of war, meaning necessity, distinction and proportionality?

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  4. Bill Farrand

    Near the end of the discussion, when Kitchen references Einstein, but couldn't remember what Einstein said about quantum entanglement, I think the phrase that he was looking for... attributed to Einstein, but who knows, was: "spooky action at a distance".

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  5. David Henderson

    Really interesting podcast with Klon. With the increasing importance of and threats in the cyber area, I would love to see him back in the future to delve more into those issues (and letters of mark). Thanks Jonah and Klon.

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  6. KateBird

    This was great. Klon is an extremely knowledgeable, interesting guest. Very helpful as we try to weed through these serious present day issues.

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      Joe Co

      Agreed. and definitely worth the last bit on Quantum Supremacy... very cool

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  7. John C

    Would also enjoy hearing Stephen Hayes and Klon Kitchen talk foreign policy and security.

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    Ben Connelly

    Quantum Supremacy sounds like a good name for a follow up podcast with Klon.

    This is completely unrelated but I’d like Jonah or someone to answer the question of whether Mollie Hemingway actually believes the stuff in her new book (which I haven’t read and won’t buy). She and Ben Domenech and David Harsanyi actually seemed to write some intelligent stuff back in the pre-Trump days. I guess the Federalist, like a lot of people, went full Trump. Sad. Maybe it’s best to ignore them. I don’t know.

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      Alec

      Quantum Supremacy sounds like a great name for a Rush tribute band, too.

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        Ben Connelly

        Haha yeah!

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    CynthiaW

    Good chat. Mr. Kitchen's discussion of Section 230 was really informative.

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    Dave Carson

    Guests like this make my recent subscription worthwhile. Quantum supremacy now!

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