Divine Intervention

Today’s Ruminant finds Jonah preparing for an epic journey to the Pacific Northwest, and he’d ...

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Today’s Ruminant finds Jonah preparing for an epic journey to the Pacific Northwest, and he’d appreciate podcast recommendations for the long and lonely trip. With Thanksgiving approaching, he’s feeling grateful, but he’s also concerned about the conservative movement’s gradual shift away from the classical liberalism embedded in American culture. How do societies emerge? Will mankind ever learn not to immanentize the eschaton? And has American life officially become crazier than a late night Japanese game show? 

Show Notes:

– Wednesday’s regrettable G-File, released to the masses

– The Remnant with Will Saletan

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  1. GregS

    Jonah you said you thought the impeachment after January 6th should have had committees investigating the events, getting records, having Republican managers.
    And you also said they should have impeached him within a week.

    First, these two recommendations are mutually exclusive.
    Second, Trump isn't even President any more and they still haven't been able to get any records from the archives yet - what makes you think they'd have been able to get them while he was still President?
    Third, most Republicans on January 7th were talking a big game about how they were really for serious done with Trump this time. And then all but a handful changed their tunes within weeks. How exactly was Pelosi supposed to accurately predict which ones would hold strong and which ones (especially if they were made impeachment managers) would suddenly find that Trump was just a misunderstood mega-patriot?

    I get the desire to apportion blame equally all around, but the "a pox on both your houses" routine is wearing thin. The Republican party is embracing fascism by continuing to hold up as their leader a man who tried to commit a coup, and purging any voices who disagree. The Republican party is tolerating and promoting naked racist white supremacists like Paul Gosar and batshit crazy idiots like MTG and Cawthorn. And apparently *this* Republican party is going to be in charge in 2022.
    Do you feel that as a thought leader in politics, you have a responsibility or a role to play in preventing this eventuality? Do you think that role involves anything other than complaining that Democrats are turning off voters? Do you see your role in any way as educating voters to prevent a fascist GOP from coming jnto power - in particular the center-right and center-left voters who are the Dispatch's natural audience?
    Most importantly, do you see your role as akin to Buckleys "standing athwart history yelling Stop" or simply as "standing by history and commenting on it as it happens"?

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    Man-Eating Cow

    "... gals and anybody else."

    I assume that last is a nod in my direction.

    Big fan of the Ruminant.

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    Christopher Hall

    I'm sure someone else has already recommended Dan Carlin's "Hardcore History" podcast. Those are appropriate for extremely long drives. There is also a little-known boutique podcast called "Advisory Opinions.'

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      Christopher Hall

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    Martin

    I think there is a more nuanced concept of intergenerational sin that is a little more complicated because nothing happens on a blank slate. If my great-grandfather was a nazi and stole a jewish family’s wealth, and then bequeathed it to me, would it be justified to take it back once I own it? I’m innocent! I had no part in my ancestors crimes. Yet I benefitted, and I wager most would not deem it unjust for my property to be taken and returned to the original owners. Or if my great-grandfather owned slaves, and I inherited the wealth generated by their slavery while their descendants are destitute. Its not simply “you are guilty of your ancestors’ crimes”, but that an injustice was created and it may be appropriate to penalize innocent people who benefit from the injustice even if they had no part in its creation, if a remedy is possible.

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  5. Mrobertchase1

    I very much enjoy the Our Fake History podcast even when I disagree with Sebastian Major's conclusions.

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  6. Andreas Ohioensis

    A philological nit I have to pick: Jonah likes to pronounce "eschaton" like it's German ('esh-katon'), but it's actually Greek: ἔσχατον ('es-khaton').

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      CynthiaW

      Damn.

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    Ben Connelly

    “We love you too, Jonah,” - the Dispatch Subscribers.

    Really enjoyed this episode. As far as podcast recommendations, I doubt you’d be interested in most of the non-Dispatch podcasts I listen to. However I’d say if you’re not already tuning into Charlie and Kevin’s Mad Dogs and Englishmen over at NR, it’s a good time. Love those guys.

    Also, haha, you could always listen to Jack’s podcast: Young Americans! It’s definitely up my alley, but given that you’re over 30 and therefore according to Jack we can’t trust you, you might not get much out of it.

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  8. Stephen

    Podcast For the trip, good to get a break from one’s regular menu - “God Forbid” and “Counterpoint” - on Australian Broadcastinf Corp

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  9. DocHeartless

    I've only been listening to podcasts for half a year or so, thanks to these obnoxiously talented and addictive pirates on a damn skiff. You are probably already aware of Yascha Mounk's The Good Fight and Sam Harris' Making Sense. They are both phenomenal. Guest possibilities, perhaps?

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    Jason Gibson

    There’s also my own movie podcast Max and Jason watch a movie

    Which can best be imagined as a movie review version of the half-baked podcasts with Gallagher in terms of imbibing at least

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