Without a Shadi of a Doubt

On today’s episode, first-time guest of The Remnant, Shadi Hamid joins Jonah for a comprehensive ...

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On today’s episode, first-time guest of The Remnant, Shadi Hamid joins Jonah for a comprehensive discussion on religion, identity, and the bizarre wokespeak favored by Twitter’s blue checkmark crowd. Have wokeism and ethno-nationalism superseded religion on the left and right respectively? Are Islam and classical liberalism compatible? And, crucially, can Jonah contain the annoyance that consumes him at the mere mention of Adrian Vermeule? 

Show Notes:

– Shadi Hamid – Brookings Institution

– Shadi: “America Without God”

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    The Stray Goose

    48:25 - It is absurd to think that nobody voted for Trump because of his policies.

    "If you don't have a border, you don't have a country." Boom. Trump won the primary right then and there. And it took him a long way toward winning the general election. Look, I'm a never trumper, but when you hit people with that kind of common sense, you're going to have a certain amount of success.

    It's important that we learn lessons from the Trump era. We should learn the RIGHT lessons.

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    The Stray Goose

    44:12 - Ramesh - DRINK!

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    The Stray Goose

    43:00 WhataloadaBS! More excuses from the Muslim community. Yeah, it was GEORGE BUSH that did those terrible things to the 'Muslim Community' - those mean Republicans were bigoted. There couldn't have POSSIBLY been a reason for that reaction. Let's see. What could it have been...

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      The Stray Goose

      That Mr. Goldberg didn't push back on this is really terrible. Daniel Pearl is rolling in his untimely grave.

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    The Stray Goose

    The problem that Europe is having with their Muslim population isn't because they're 'more observant', it's because they're more VIOLENT! He was doing well until this statement, then he made himself irrelevant.

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  5. Kevin P. Holsclaw

    A very good conversation. However, I would push back on Jonah's use of Irving Kristol's observation that belief in religion is more important than belief in God. How one perceives the nature of God has a very profound effect on the culture. Belief in a deity that is defined by the exercise of pure will produces very different cultural norms than the perception of God as as a Being who operates on the basis of both will and reason. The latter case is representative of the Judeo-Christian concept of God and provided the basis for both natural law and the rise of western civilization as we know it.

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    Kevin Johnson

    Absolutely fantastic! You could hear/feel these two smart people actually listening to and considering the points of the interlocutor. That isn’t common. I never imagined myself being so pleased with a Bernie supporter. This is partly since both are people of integrity and intellectual curiosity. I loved Shadi with Andrew Sullivan too, but this ep is better because of Jonah’s eclectic interests and polite but persistent engagement. Could we present this to all high schoolers and new university folk to show how deep and meaningful discussion between very different people can be? Wow, wow!

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    1. Laura P

      I second everything you say. This was such a meaty discussion.

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    DillaDonutz

    I think his compatible-ness answer is complete BS. Is this guy really that out of touch?

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      CynthiaW

      I would not have put it quite so strongly, but I do think he was not fully persuasive and was allowed to get away from avoiding some obvious issues about Islam. It would have been very interesting if Ayaan Hirsi Ali could have been in the conversation!

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      DillaDonutz

      Other than that, he was sharp and pleasant. Thanks for a great podcast.

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    DillaDonutz

    "...Jesus Christ...he's not my Lord."

    Jonah, I thought you were Catholic? Misspoke?

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      Kevin Johnson

      No no. He supports much of what the church has done, and favors papal ninjas...but he is Jewish.

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        DillaDonutz

        Thanks Kevin and Cynthia for the correction. Gives me reason to read SOTW again sooner rather than later! Also, very sorry for assuming I was right, Jonah.

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        CynthiaW

        We all favor Papal ninjas. Anyone who says they don't is just being cagey for the public.

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      DillaDonutz

      Now I'm not sure what I'm remembering 😕 I could have sworn I read that in Suicide of the West.

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        DillaDonutz

        Online says Jewish. That right? If so, my bad. ✌️

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          CynthiaW

          As I understand it, Jonah is ethnically and culturally somewhat Jewish, basically a theist, while his wife is from a traditionally Catholic family. I have not heard Jonah discuss whether she is practicing in any way, her beliefs, etc., and that's perfectly fine.

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  9. eoncarlyle

    I’m really disappointed that the title of this episode is not “Shadi like a melody in my head”, truly a missed opportunity

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    DillaDonutz

    "Intellectuals and Societies" is a great supplement, and study in and of itself, to this podcast.

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