Has a Candidate Ever Lost Florida and Ohio but Won the Election?

Yes: John F. Kennedy.

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In his latest tweet challenging the outcome of the election, President Donald Trump claimed that no presidential candidate has won both Ohio and Florida but still lost the election, as he did:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336691981981016066

Trump’s loss despite wins in Ohio and Florida is not without precedent, however: In 1960 John F. Kennedy lost both states to Richard Nixon but won the Electoral College 303-219.

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    Victor Clairmont

    Facts!

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    BWG

    I heard Bill Barr and Elton John are twins separated at birth. Or maybe they're actually the same person. They do look an awful lot alike. Can you fact check that?

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      BWG

      How come you never see them together??? BIG IF TRUE!!!!!

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    Faraday

    There was a list of additional items stated by Jesse Watters on the 5 on FNC back on Nov 30. This was one. Has anyone looked into the others? I do have them if that would help. I believe some are frivolous but I want to be sure everything is exhausted before we dismiss an entire group of people.

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    Torsius

    I’m not sure how many electoral votes IL had in 1960, but I would bet it was less than the 84 Nixon lost by.

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    Francesca

    Have you ever fact checked the claim that the number of Covid fatalities is being exaggerated because hospitals are paid to list people as dying from Covid? This generally goes along with the belief that most positives are 'false' positives - its not the same claim, of course. I know people who believe the fatalities are exaggerated because the hospitals are renumerated for covid death, and I am not sure what to tell them. I say that hospital wards are not overflowing with false positives, but its not exactly the same issue - although these beliefs are conflated in many of the holders' minds.

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    JDW

    Not sure the Kennedy Nixon election is the best choice as it is considered by some to have been fraudulently won by Kennedy do to mafia ballot stuffing in Illinois.

    But to be honest, I don't care. Real things trump (forgive the pun) imaginary things. Trump won those states and lost the election. This sort of silliness is never going to prove an election fraudulent.

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  7. Ofir Barnea

    Odd framing on this tidbit. It would be less confusing to compare like to like. Which is to say loser - loser or winner - winner. John Kennedy isn’t the answer to Trump. Better retort “ in @960 Nixon won OH and FL and still lost”

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    Patrick O'Rouke

    Maybe someone can give him a fake medal for this or something and pat him on the head. He's really scraping the bottom of the barrel for his talking points.

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    Dpatricola

    I learned a thing! News stations always hammer home how winning Ohio, and especially Florida, all but guarantee an electoral victory. Now I see that this is more truthiness than truth.

    Also, this is a good rebuttal for any conversations I do have with others about this topic.

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  10. Jim

    1960 is an election that has been dogged by allegations of fraud ever since. For instance, it was alleged that the mob threw Illinois to Kennedy.

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      Dpatricola

      On a serious note, I've heard the same about how Jack's dad pulled levers with the mob to earn the state's victory. I'd absolutely believe it.

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      1. Jim

        Oh, I was absolutely being serious. In addition to the Illinois rumors there were credible allegations of fraud in TX, perpetrated by allies of LBJ.

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      Dpatricola

      A Roman Catholic as president?! *screams and head for the hills*

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